[TuavDan]

Freedom of speech is ok, but so is freedom of letting these troops beat the living shit out of these scum bags.

[martin14]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Just leave Sharia Law "over there". It doesn't belong in North America. If Muslims want to settle here that is okay as long as they understand that they are entering secular Consitutional countries where neither Islam or any other religion reins supreme over other people's rights.

Great idea in theory, problem is that many Muslims are unwilling to accept it.

And they are actively working to change it, using our own laws
of freedom and tolerance against us.

[martin14]

Lemmy Lemmy:

I don't believe Islam is a threat to our way of life. I believe that humanity will shake off this mass-delusion called religion relatively soon. When that day arrives, we won't have to read and debate nonesense like this story.

And yet the rest of the world doesnt seem to agree with you,
as positions harden and the Europeans seem poised to move the pendulum to the other side.


Ever thought your idea might need some revision ?

[martin14]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The UK didn't invade Pakistan, yet Pakistani's and their kids were the bombers and are the main elements in these anti-establishment demos.

The UK isn't a Muslim nation. They should have noted that bit and if it bothered the Pakistani's so much, why go live in the UK?

My Muslim brothers are being attacked, just omtting 9/11.

Had the same shit in Slovakia when NATO was bombing Serbia.



If they are so concerned about their brothers, they can go and join them,
no one is forcing them to stay in the West.


But no, there is something much sinister going here.

[Public_Domain]

[Guy_Fawkes]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

TuavDan TuavDan:

Freedom of speech is ok, but so is freedom of letting these troops beat the living shit out of these scum bags.

I am 100% positive that, no, there is no such freedom in Britain.

But if you wish to view what a country with such beliefs of freedom would be like,
I'd like to direct your attention to the Middle East, where I'm sure such practises
would happily and 'freely' be taken.

Im with MC on this one, the long hairs can rant and protest all they want. Until their protests turn violent no one should try to silence them, with that said I am all for counter protesting.

[Bacardi4206]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

The reasons the muslims are getting called out in this thread is because of how they act.

yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah yackity-freakin'-shmakity

They don't call those out, only the non-muslim soldiers who are there because the world got bombarded by muslim terrorists and is still being bombarded by them.

Again, how incredibly convenient that you don't mention the largest mass killing of the 20th century which was perpetrated by Christians on Muslims in a war based on lies. It's like *poof* it's completely gone from the right-wing consciousness (and conscience). Amazing!

By Christians on Muslims? I assume you are refering to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? Agreed that Iraq was a bullshit reason to go to war, we had no buisness there and thus Canada diddn't go. However other nations did, however who's to say it wasn't for the better? Iraq is a more stable country now, granted it had to be fixed because the U.S. fucked it up originally but atleast they tried to fix it when they could have just said fuck them.

As for Afghanistan, I guess you forgot 3,000 people died in 9/11 trade center bombings alone. Amungst all the other terrorist attacks on other countries at that time and ever since. Including on Canadian soil. Never ceasing to stop, would you have expected America or any other nation to just leave that be? The fact was that we were provoked, I'd say 3000 innocent deaths and the threat of more like it is a pretty damn good excuse to invade a country to rid it of terrorist that were roaming freely over there using the country as a training ground? or did you forget about the hardships our troops faced in the beginning of the war when they had to fight and kill these terrorists who would go blow themselves up in civilian populated areas, used 12 year old kids as suicide bombers, etc. I believe even Iraq had a lot of terrorist related attacks as well on soldiers there.

Further more, while I agree Iraq and Afghanistan have had a lot of deaths. Where exactly is the proof however that majority of these deaths are from NATO or infact non-hostile related deaths? because I have seen a bit of accidently civilian shootings, mostly having to do with the civilian doing something stupid like speeding towards a checkpoint or a vehicle. However all of those were 1-3 people tops, times that by how many reported incidents there were. There is no way NATO killed majority of all the civilian in Afghanistan. I did however read many reports of terrorists specificly targeting Afghan civilians. I've heard of the Taliban always choosing to fight amungst civlian populated areas. I have heard of the Taliban executing civilians or Police.

As well, what's this Christian vs Muslims bullshit? We aren't a Christian nation anymore, we are a multi-religion nation. To be more correct, you should have said. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Sikhism, etc vs Muslim. Not to forget we get the ANA to tag along our foot troops and help us kill baddies who I believe to be muslim, no?

[Lemmy]

martin14 martin14:

Lemmy Lemmy:

I don't believe Islam is a threat to our way of life. I believe that humanity will shake off this mass-delusion called religion relatively soon. When that day arrives, we won't have to read and debate nonesense like this story.

And yet the rest of the world doesnt seem to agree with you,
as positions harden and the Europeans seem poised to move the pendulum to the other side.

That's exactly what "mass-delusion" means. One day, humanity will move past religion. It won't be in my lifetime, or even in my grand-children's, likely, but one day.

martin14 martin14:

Ever thought your idea might need some revision ?

Which idea? The idea that "all religion is bullshit"? Nope, that idea is right on the mark and in no need of revision whatsoever. The only question is how long it will take for all of humanity to figure it out.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

how incredibly convenient that you don't mention the largest mass killing of the 20th century which was perpetrated by Christians on Muslims

Is this a new piece of fiction you're working on?

In Iraq and Afghanistan more Iraqis and Afghanis are dying at the hands of their own people and foreign Islamic mercenaries. As for it being a Christiam/Muslim thing, it wasn't a religiously motivated war. It was essentially secular Western nations(that also have quite a few serving Muslim members) attacking a secular Iraq(who had several Christians in important positions) nation. Iraq wasn't run by the mullahs and Saddam didn't tolerate religious uprisings when he was running things...he crushed them brutally.

[commanderkai]

Lemmy Lemmy:

martin14 martin14:

And yet the rest of the world doesnt seem to agree with you,
as positions harden and the Europeans seem poised to move the pendulum to the other side.

That's exactly what "mass-delusion" means. One day, humanity will move past religion. It won't be in my lifetime, or even in my grand-children's, likely, but one day.

martin14 martin14:

Ever thought your idea might need some revision ?

Which idea? The idea that "all religion is bullshit"? Nope, that idea is right on the mark and in no need of revision whatsoever. The only question is how long it will take for all of humanity to figure it out.

I think he was referring to the threat of Islam, not your general views on religion. That's what he means about Europeans moving the pendulum, for example.

[commanderkai]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

how incredibly convenient that you don't mention the largest mass killing of the 20th century which was perpetrated by Christians on Muslims

Is this a new piece of fiction you're working on?

In Iraq and Afghanistan more Iraqis and Afghanis are dying at the hands of their own people and foreign Islamic mercenaries. As for it being a Christiam/Muslim thing, it wasn't a religiously motivated war. It was essentially secular Western nations(that also have quite a few serving Muslim members) attacking a secular Iraq(who had several Christians in important positions) nation. Iraq wasn't run by the mullahs and Saddam didn't tolerate religious uprisings when he was running things...he crushed them brutally.

Plus, the highest death counts in the 20th century are the Soviet Russia, Mao's China, and Nazi Germany. I must have missed the gulags or concentration camps that were used to slaughter Muslims predominately...

[ShepherdsDog]

He was referring to the 21st century.

[ShepherdsDog]

Lemmy Lemmy:

That's exactly what "mass-delusion" means. One day, humanity will move past religion. It won't be in my lifetime, or even in my grand-children's, likely, but one day.

Then we'll find some other reason to kill each other. We're extremely creative when it comes to finding reasons for killing each other. Clean drinking water and dwindling resources likely, and the Third Worlders will likely make it a 'kill whitey' fest. This will make our vigorous religious debates of the past look like heated highschool debating.

[2Cdo]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

He was referring to the 21st century.

Give Islam a chance, it's still early in the 21st century!

[ShepherdsDog]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

He was referring to the 21st century.

Give Islam a chance, it's still early in the 21st century!

They'll eventually run up against the secular Chinese. Who have taken brutal crackdowns to heights we haven't imagined. The Chinese will not show the restraint that the West has. There'll be no discussion of brutality, killing of prisoners, dead civilians , ethnic cleansing or interference from the media.