And here's the reply to that BBC alarmist article from the other side...
The BBC Attempts to Patch Up the Cracks - botches it, citing AGW could set off �negative feedback (the good stuff's in the comments).
I'll explain the laughter concerning BBC's claim of "negative feedback", just in case you don't get it.
The negative feedback claim traditionally comes from the skeptic side. The alarmist (BBC favored) side relies on positive feedback. They got it completely back to front. It's almost as bad as that one from NBC, I think it was, where they were showing Penquins at the North Pole.
How the feedback thing works in the climate debate is explained pretty good here if you're interested - What is Normal? Climate Video. Part 5
The negative feedback claim comes in a BBC video accompanying the article.
BTW that "leading climate scientist" they speak of in the article is a biologist.
Thing I love about this is how arrogant we are about this whole thing. My favourite is the ice melting....ooohhh it's the worst its ever been!!! HOW THE F*CK DO YOU KNOW? did we have satellites taking pictures in the 1800's to compair with todays melting? were we tracking the ice flows in the 1700's? no, we don't know what the natural 500 year, 200 year, heck 100 year cycle of the ice in the poles are! what we've been tracking this for what 50 years....75 years? not even?
if Al Gore had kept his damn mouth shut, we wouldn't even know what the hell 'global warming' is, never mind be concerned over it.
saw a South Park episode that was perfect for this topic, the one where Stans dad buys a hybrid car...sooo good, and soooo true.
saw a South Park episode that was perfect for this topic, the one where Stans dad buys a hybrid car...sooo good, and soooo true.
Smug Alert. That was the title. Best political satire ever. I meet people sometime (not here, of course ), I want to call arrogant, fart-sniffers, but they wouldn't get the reference, so it wouldn't be funny, so I don't.
That other South Park one was pretty good too. The one where Stan and Cartman crashed a stolen boat into a beaver damn, and flooded a town, then they blamed global warming. The Al Gore ManBearPig eps weren't bad either.
Underestimated? I've seen links to people claiming it'll shift our rotation axis, that'll it will cause the next Ice Age, and destroy all life and so on and so forth.
I am skeptical in what to believe because both sides keep trying there hardest to denounce the other. However even if this whole global warming thins is bull, it's still a good thing to get others to believe because ONLY through fear can you get human beings to do something to change for.
We need to start going green to help protect our envirement and planet and wild life. It is the better solution. After all this Global Warming fearmongering, look how much change has happened for people to go green.
It seemed to never end, change here and change there unti'll you skeptics started trying you're very best to prove it wrong. Now I don't see signs of go green change as much as when almost everybody was fearing the effects of Global Warming not only for themselves but the envirement and animal life.
Come to think of it the whole climate debate is just riddled with stuff I've seen on South Park.
Take Bacardi4206's comment above for example. That's what I call "Let's eat Eric Roberts". In case you're not familiar with the South Park ep I'm referencing, the situation was as follows. A group of South Park residents were snow bound overnight with a film crew. One of the actors in the crew was minor film star Eric Roberts. The South Park guys get the idea, because they're snowbound away from a food supply they may have to consider the ultimate horror - eating their own. The hours tick by, and they work that fear to a point they're considering which one of them to eat. Well nobody really cares about Eric Roberts any more, so..."Let's eat Eric Roberts". But again, they were only snowbound over night. There was no real danger. That's why it was funny.
You see that in the climate debate. There's no proof of actual danger, and CO2 has nothing to do with pollution, but let's consider the most radical solution to a possible problem we can think of, because maybe we should be scared. So we start burning our food supply as fuel, or making it impossible for the poor to be able to heat their homes, or condemning the poor of Africa to disease, and starvation, but it doesn't really matter, because "Let's eat Eric Roberts".
The other one you see the most is the Officer Barbrady "Nothing to see here. Move along people" thing. There are so many Officer Barbrady's in the climate debate. Arctic sea extent may be at a low for a few weeks in the last couple of Septembers, but the much larger Antartic sea ice has reached record highs. "Nothing to see here. Move along people". There's supposed to be what they call a 'global warming fingerprint' at the equator. It's kind of like a heat signature. The problem is it doesn't exist.
There's been no noticeable global warming in over a decade, and global temperatures have been dropping since 2002. No sea level rise for the last couple of years, nor ocean warming. "Nothing to see here people".
Then there's Manbearpig. So many Manbearpigs in the climate debate. These are things which don't actually exist, but if they claim them often enough, with sufficient hysteria, and describe them creatively, they hope to convince you they're there.
There's been no warming since 1998, but sometimes global warming alarmists produce these creative graphs which make warming appear which doesn't actually exist. A guy like IPCC head Rajendra Pauchauri will lecture on the current dramatic temperature rise even when he's previously admitted temperatures have been plateauing since 1998. And Al Gore, forget about. The Manbearpig thing is so true with Al Gore the South Park episode concerning it could be a documentary. I mentioned the global warming fingerprint. They can't find it with actual temperatures, so they produce this trickery with wind measurements which are supposed to be able to reproduce temperatures we should consider over conventional methods of measuring temperature such as satellites, or weather balloons. This wind speed prestidigitation produces Manbearpig...oops... I mean the global warming fingerprint.
Real world data shows no evidence of actual warming over the vast majority of Antartica, and most likely cooling. No problem. Activist, alarmist "scientists" find some false data, cherry pick a convenient date, apply some mathematical magic, and presto Antarctica is warming. Except...no it's not. It's a Manbearpig.
"BartSimpson" said Bullshit. The alarminsts just want to stir the pot so they can grap a few more billion bucks for their BS schemes is all.
You know when you say that immediately following my post, it makes me think you're talking to me, and that's confusing, because I'm agreeing with you - just more verbosely.
when did they have a race to determine who was the leader?
"a leading climate scientist has warned."
when did they have a race to determine who was the leader?
It was a three legged race. He was leading until tripping over a carbon molecule.
The BBC Attempts to Patch Up the Cracks - botches it, citing AGW could set off �negative feedback (the good stuff's in the comments).
I'll explain the laughter concerning BBC's claim of "negative feedback", just in case you don't get it.
The negative feedback claim traditionally comes from the skeptic side. The alarmist (BBC favored) side relies on positive feedback. They got it completely back to front. It's almost as bad as that one from NBC, I think it was, where they were showing Penquins at the North Pole.
How the feedback thing works in the climate debate is explained pretty good here if you're interested - What is Normal? Climate Video. Part 5
The negative feedback claim comes in a BBC video accompanying the article.
BTW that "leading climate scientist" they speak of in the article is a biologist.
if Al Gore had kept his damn mouth shut, we wouldn't even know what the hell 'global warming' is, never mind be concerned over it.
saw a South Park episode that was perfect for this topic, the one where Stans dad buys a hybrid car...sooo good, and soooo true.
saw a South Park episode that was perfect for this topic, the one where Stans dad buys a hybrid car...sooo good, and soooo true.
Smug Alert. That was the title. Best political satire ever. I meet people sometime (not here, of course
That other South Park one was pretty good too. The one where Stan and Cartman crashed a stolen boat into a beaver damn, and flooded a town, then they blamed global warming. The Al Gore ManBearPig eps weren't bad either.
Underestimated my ass.
We need to start going green to help protect our envirement and planet and wild life. It is the better solution. After all this Global Warming fearmongering, look how much change has happened for people to go green.
It seemed to never end, change here and change there unti'll you skeptics started trying you're very best to prove it wrong. Now I don't see signs of go green change as much as when almost everybody was fearing the effects of Global Warming not only for themselves but the envirement and animal life.
Take Bacardi4206's comment above for example. That's what I call "Let's eat Eric Roberts". In case you're not familiar with the South Park ep I'm referencing, the situation was as follows. A group of South Park residents were snow bound overnight with a film crew. One of the actors in the crew was minor film star Eric Roberts. The South Park guys get the idea, because they're snowbound away from a food supply they may have to consider the ultimate horror - eating their own. The hours tick by, and they work that fear to a point they're considering which one of them to eat. Well nobody really cares about Eric Roberts any more, so..."Let's eat Eric Roberts". But again, they were only snowbound over night. There was no real danger. That's why it was funny.
You see that in the climate debate. There's no proof of actual danger, and CO2 has nothing to do with pollution, but let's consider the most radical solution to a possible problem we can think of, because maybe we should be scared. So we start burning our food supply as fuel, or making it impossible for the poor to be able to heat their homes, or condemning the poor of Africa to disease, and starvation, but it doesn't really matter, because "Let's eat Eric Roberts".
The other one you see the most is the Officer Barbrady "Nothing to see here. Move along people" thing. There are so many Officer Barbrady's in the climate debate. Arctic sea extent may be at a low for a few weeks in the last couple of Septembers, but the much larger Antartic sea ice has reached record highs. "Nothing to see here. Move along people". There's supposed to be what they call a 'global warming fingerprint' at the equator. It's kind of like a heat signature. The problem is it doesn't exist.
There's been no noticeable global warming in over a decade, and global temperatures have been dropping since 2002. No sea level rise for the last couple of years, nor ocean warming. "Nothing to see here people".
Then there's Manbearpig. So many Manbearpigs in the climate debate. These are things which don't actually exist, but if they claim them often enough, with sufficient hysteria, and describe them creatively, they hope to convince you they're there.
There's been no warming since 1998, but sometimes global warming alarmists produce these creative graphs which make warming appear which doesn't actually exist. A guy like IPCC head Rajendra Pauchauri will lecture on the current dramatic temperature rise even when he's previously admitted temperatures have been plateauing since 1998. And Al Gore, forget about. The Manbearpig thing is so true with Al Gore the South Park episode concerning it could be a documentary. I mentioned the global warming fingerprint. They can't find it with actual temperatures, so they produce this trickery with wind measurements which are supposed to be able to reproduce temperatures we should consider over conventional methods of measuring temperature such as satellites, or weather balloons. This wind speed prestidigitation produces Manbearpig...oops... I mean the global warming fingerprint.
Real world data shows no evidence of actual warming over the vast majority of Antartica, and most likely cooling. No problem. Activist, alarmist "scientists" find some false data, cherry pick a convenient date, apply some mathematical magic, and presto Antarctica is warming. Except...no it's not. It's a Manbearpig.
Bullshit. The alarminsts just want to stir the pot so they can grap a few more billion bucks for their BS schemes is all.
You know when you say that immediately following my post, it makes me think you're talking to me, and that's confusing, because I'm agreeing with you - just more verbosely.