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Bar owners charged in alleged drunk-driving deaths


Law & Order | 208141 hits | Jun 27 8:41 am | Posted by: Strutz
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In a potentially precedent-setting case, the co-owners of an eastern Ontario bar are facing manslaughter charges after a person left their establishment and caused a highway crash that left two people dead.

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  1. by Prof_Chomsky
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:15 pm
    I just can't agree with this.

    Think back to university bar hopping. 90% of the people in any bar, pub, club were SMASHED. Then they would responsibly stumble home on foot, or hail a cab.
    How can a bar owner possibly ascertain the soberness of every single person in their establishment short of forcing an unlawful breathalyzer test, and how can they possibly know whether someone intends to drive rather than take a cab or get a ride with a friend?

  2. by avatar Unsound
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:26 pm
    Doesn't matter if it's realistic, or even possible, you can't possibly expect people to live with the consequences of their own actions? Can you?

  3. by avatar 2Cdo
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:33 pm
    Another law that takes personal responsibility away from the offenders. :roll:

  4. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:55 pm
    Oh, I like this. What it will do is cause insurance companies to withdraw or cancel their policies on bars, thus shutting them. It will also cause a lot of people whose bars were on the fence financially to go ahead and close, too. Then, when this stupid, idiotic decision is inevitably extended to liquor shops and wineries there will be a defacto prohibition in Canada.

    And then your government will bitch, whine, and complain because they'll be losing precious revenue from liquor and sales taxes.

    :roll:

  5. by Prof_Chomsky
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:29 pm
    I personally liked one of the comments under the original article

    "If we're passing the buck responsibility wise, I guess we better blame the government. They've made alcohol legal for sale and consumption and get rich off of the sale. I don�t see them monitoring what the guy does after he buys a 40oz at the local liquor store. Clearly that man would NEVER get intoxicated and do something wrong."

  6. by avatar bootlegga
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:47 pm
    As far as I know, that's been the case for years in Alberta.

    http://aglc.ca/pdf/liquor/Liquor_Laws_&_You.pdf

  7. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:08 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    Then, when this stupid, idiotic decision is inevitably extended to liquor shops and wineries there will be a defacto prohibition in Canada.

    Won't happen in Ontario since the Beer Store and Liquor Store are essentially government organs.

  8. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:13 pm
    "PublicAnimalNo9" said
    Then, when this stupid, idiotic decision is inevitably extended to liquor shops and wineries there will be a defacto prohibition in Canada.

    Won't happen in Ontario since the Beer Store and Liquor Store are essentially government organs.

    Don't bet against it. If a bartender can be charged with a crime so can a government liquor store clerk.

  9. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:23 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    Then, when this stupid, idiotic decision is inevitably extended to liquor shops and wineries there will be a defacto prohibition in Canada.

    Won't happen in Ontario since the Beer Store and Liquor Store are essentially government organs.

    Don't bet against it. If a bartender can be charged with a crime so can a government liquor store clerk.
    But it wasn't the bartender, it was the bar being charged. Big difference.

  10. by avatar andyt
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:28 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    Oh, I like this. What it will do is cause insurance companies to withdraw or cancel their policies on bars, thus shutting them. It will also cause a lot of people whose bars were on the fence financially to go ahead and close, too. Then, when this stupid, idiotic decision is inevitably extended to liquor shops and wineries there will be a defacto prohibition in Canada.


    :roll:


    I like it too. Maybe we can get prohibition to work after all. Save a lot of lives.

    What would your comment be if this was a compassion club owner that was being charged?

  11. by avatar Zipperfish  Gold Member
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:40 pm
    "2Cdo" said
    Another law that takes personal responsibility away from the offenders. :roll:


    Yup. Somehow it's everybody else's fault.

  12. by avatar 2Cdo
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:43 pm
    "Zipperfish" said
    Another law that takes personal responsibility away from the offenders. :roll:


    Yup. Somehow it's everybody else's fault.

    That's all you here from people today, mom didn't love me enough, daddy didn't buy me a car, the teacher is picking on me. ALWAYS someone else's fault, and always an excuse.

    We've officially entered the Age of Whinery.

  13. by avatar Brenda
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:45 pm
    "2Cdo" said
    Another law that takes personal responsibility away from the offenders. :roll:


    Yup. Somehow it's everybody else's fault.

    That's all you here from people today, mom didn't love me enough, daddy didn't buy me a car, the teacher is picking on me. ALWAYS someone else's fault, and always an excuse.

    We've officially entered the Age of Whinery.
    Well, as an excuse, you can always try to use it. But to make it law is a whole different ballgame...

  14. by avatar andyt
    Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:55 pm
    The person who caused the accident is dead - not sure how much responsibility she can take. Bars have had a responsibility not to serve drunks for ever, and they've been held responsible for doing so before. Not sure if that's such a bad thing.



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